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Psalm 13

¹ How long, LORD? Will you forget me forever?

How long will you hide your face from me?
² How long must I wrestle with my thoughts
and day after day have sorrow in my heart?
How long will my enemy triumph over me?

³ Look on me and answer, LORD my God.
Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death,
⁴ and my enemy will say, “I have overcome him,”
and my foes will rejoice when I fall.

⁵ But I trust in your unfailing love;
my heart rejoices in your salvation.
⁶ I will sing the LORD’s praise,
for he has been good to me.

Since we are all going through the Christmas season, I thought it would be appropriate to show where the holiday season and the idea that it was Jesus birthday came from. As usual I will try to be as unbiased as possible, like most of you I was raised in church but had a lot of questions. Everything I write here is easily accessible if you wish to look for it, I would never willingly mislead anybody or discourage anyone from their religion. What I will do is point you to things that you won’t hear in Sunday school, you can then go and ask your local pastor about anything you see here, but I am willing to bet that they will either dismiss it as blasphemy or say something like you just can’t understand because GOD works in mysterious ways ***blank stare****
Let’s start by saying that there isn’t a lot of historical facts about Jesus, most of what we know are guesses from so called scholars and old traditions of the Roman Empire. There was a pagan messiah called MITHRA I urge you to google him. Mithras was born on December 25th, was born of a virgin mother, had 12 disciples, was crucified and rose. That’s Mithras I just spoke about and as we all know Jesus has the same story….what does this mean?? I will talk about that at the end. Now there was an emperor called CONSTANTINE, he ruled over the ROMAN EMPIRE when it officially recognized Christianity. The dominant religion at the time was Mithraism and what we know as Christianity was still small and unknown. The story goes that Constantine was about to go to war, when he had a vision of a cross and he was to fight with this symbol. He went to war with Maxentius and won, this convinced him that the cross (Christianity) is the right way to go.
He had defeated his enemy and was now the reigning emperor, he decided to convert the people to Christ, this made the catholic church quite happy (they were still quite young in these times). The problem they had was that the people already had somebody that they been worshipping all their lives, how do you make them start to accept Jesus???? Well they came up with an idea; why not just keep the old traditions….. This would reduce the confusion. They set up the council nicea in ad 325 that officially recognised Sunday as the day of worship(up until this point is was Saturday) , they placed Jesus birthday on the same day as Mithras and kept most of the old practices, including the worship of the sun god(that’s why the day is called Sunday). By now I’m sure you have questions, maybe you did a quick search on Mithras and saw the similarities between him and Jesus and saw the weak excuses that the church has given as to why it’s like this. You may ask what is this guy trying to say? The answer is that the religion we know as Christianity was built around various pagan religions and merged. The emperor and pope at the time had a problem though, what about those books that has in the things that would conflict with what we are feeding the people? Simple take them out. I would advise you to go have a look at the book of Enoch, gospel of Thomas, Mary Magdalene, Judas, Phillip etc. oh that’s right you don’t have them in the king James version.
I asked a question earlier, what does all this mean? Well any religious leader who is honest will tell you that, over time we have lost a lot of information on Christ(I prefer to say hidden instead of lost), and as a result a lot of things were taken to fill the gaps. Jesus Christ was not born on the 25th, but does that mean we should all stop celebrating Christmas, because it’s a pagan tradition (was called Yule back then) ? I don’t think so, it’s good that we all pretend to be merry and love each other, even if its once a year. It also serves as a good time to unwind with family and friends and look back on the past year. Just don’t fall into the trap of thinking that your celebrating Christ birthday, because he certainly wasn’t born in the winter. I know I strayed from the birthday a few times, but that’s just so the people who have never heard about Constantine, will have a clue what’s going on. This is not the life of Christ post that I promised, just a taster of things to come.
I will give you a preview of the next post.
Jesus Christ was a preacher of love, peace etc. lets remember that your religion is largely decided by where your from. If you get your most die hearted Christian and go back in time and make them born in china, guess what they will probably be a die hearted Buddhist, or if they were born in india they would be hindu, Iraq-muslim etc. you get my point. Love is love in any religion; I do not believe that a clean hearted Buddhist will burn in hell, while a one day Christian who keeps sinning and begging for forgiveness will go to heaven. I’m still not sure about this idea of hell!!! Am I to believe that a loving GOD is going to put somebody who has harm no one, love his neighbour as himself etc but just didn’t become an official Christian; this person will go to the same hell as ADOLF HITLER,MUSSOLINI,GEORGE BUSH, JLP AND PNP LEADERS ???? JOSEF STALIN had millions die under his control, but he will get the same hell fire as a man that only told a few lies?? Or are there different levels of heat in hell?? Die hearted Christians come prepared to answer these questions, next time when the forbidden post drops on JMG. Intelligent discussion only please…..

02 September 2009, 19:35
C O N F I D E N T I A L KINGSTON 000666
SIPDIS
DEPT FOR WHA/CAR (J.MACK-WILSON, W.SMITH, V.DEPIRRO)
L/LEI (C.HOLLAND, A.KLUESNER)
INR/IAA (G.BOHIGIAN)
JUSTICE FOR OIA (P.PETTY)
TREASURY FOR IA/WH (E.NEPHEW)
PASS TO CENTRAL AMERICAN CARIBBEAN BASIN COLLECTIVE
EO 12958 DECL: 09/01/2019
TAGS CJAN, CVIS, PREL, PGOV, PINR, ASEC, SNAR, SOCI, KCOR,
KCRM, JM, BR, XL
SUBJECT: JAMAICA: U.S. REQUEST TO EXTRADITE POWERFUL “DON”
PRESENTS GOVERNMENT WITH A DANGEROUS DILEMMA; KINGSTON MAYOR WARNS OF “SEVERE REPERCUSSIONS”
REF: A. STATE 85807 (181409Z AUG 09)(NOTAL) B. KINGSTON 655 (2821557Z AUG 09) C. 08 KINGSTON 972 (171906Z NOV 08)(NOTAL)
Classified By: CDA ISIAH L. PARNELL, Reasons 1.5 (B) AND (D)

Summary
US diplomats in Kingston report on fears of instability in Jamaica if Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke is extradited to the US. The mayor of Kingston talks of “collateral damage”. The cable adds: “His fears are not unfounded”. Key passages are highlighted in yellow.
Summary and Analysis

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1.(C) The U.S. request to extradite a powerful “Don” with close ties to the ruling Jamaica Labour Party (JLP) has presented Prime Minister (PM) Bruce Golding’s Government with a dangerous dilemma: the requested extradition could spark violent incidents, ignite rivalries among competing gang factions, and unleash a challenge to the state and to Golding’s own influence in West Kingston and beyond. The Mayor of Kingston warns of “severe repercussions” and “collateral damage.” His fears are not unfounded. End Summary and Analysis.

The Mayor’s perspective: severe repercussions

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2.(C) The Mayor of Kingston and St. Andrew, Councillor Desmond Anthony McKenzie, requested to meet with EmbOff on September 1 to discuss an “urgent” matter; the private meeting was held in his downtown office. The Mayor began by stating pointedly that the Government of Jamaica (GoJ) faced a serious crisis because of Washington’s request for the extradition of Christopher Coke to stand trial on narcotics and firearms charges in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York (reftels A,B). He predicted that there would be “severe repercussions” and “collateral damage” if Coke were arrested, and that this would “risk destroying everything the Government was trying to do on the economy and crime.” The Mayor said that in recent years his administration had worked with Coke to reduce crime in the inner cities of Jamaica, particularly in West Kingston. If he now were extradited, this would “leave a vacuum,” and matters would be much worse. McKenzie noted that in recent days several of his “contacts in the communities” had told him they “would not take this (Coke s extradition) lying down.”

A “grim picture of the reality we face”

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3.(C) McKenzie then asked if there were any room for further discussions with U.S. officials. EmbOff replied by reiterating that the U.S. expected Jamaica to honor its obligations under the Extradition Treaty, and considered this a case of great importance; however, the Embassy would convey the Mayor’s assessment and inquiry to Washington. McKenzie concluded by observing that his views were not only an assessment, but accurately portrayed the “grim picture of the reality we face.”

Background: a powerful, well-connected “Don”

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4.(C) Christopher Michael “Dudus” Coke is a wealthy “Don” who wields extraordinary power in the West Kingston inner city “garrison community” of Tivoli Gardens, whose Member of Parliament (MP) is Prime Minister Bruce Golding. Coke reputedly is closely connected with leading figures within Golding’s Jamaica Labour Party (JLP), including McKenzie. In the island state’s tribal political culture, over the years both major parties have developed symbiotic ties of patronage and influence with the “Dons” who control the garrison communities, and whose powers have grown as Jamaica’s economy has struggled. Coke’s gang provides social and welfare services and turns out the JLP vote in elections, while his business interests profit from lucrative Government contracts. He is the son of the late Lester Lloyd “Jim Brown” Coke, who, together with the recently deported Vivian

Blake, for years master-minded the notorious “Shower Posse” drug gang, which wreaked havoc in Jamaica, the USA, and UK. “Jim Brown” died in prison under mysterious circumstances while awaiting extradition to the U.S. in 1992.

Analysis: a desperate Mayor, a nervous capital city

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5.(C) McKenzie’s fears are not unfounded: Coke’s wealth, power, and influence are pervasive, and his sudden removal could spark violent incidents and/or unleash rivalries among competing gang factions in Kingston, Spanish Town, and Montego Bay. He is easily the highest profile figure whose extradition has been requested in many years, and his long-standing ties to the JLP have put McKenzie, Golding, and other leading Party figures in an extremely awkward position. (Note: The incendiary potential of rivalries among the various gangs with ties to the JLP was demonstrated during the Party’s annual conference in November, 2008, when an eruption of gang-related violence at the packed national arena left one dead and several wounded, reftel C. End Note.) Rumors in circulation over recent days have ranged from a false report of Coke’s arrest to speculation that he will attempt to flee to Brazil.

Media Perspective: Do the right thing

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6.(SBU) Local media have focused on the difficult challenge facing the JLP Government in extraditing Coke, but no one (aside from his prospective attorney, Tom Tavares-Finson) seriously maintains his innocence. The “Observer” newspaper, generally sympathetic to the JLP, maintained in an editorial of August 30: “They say he’s a ‘Don,’ a good man who has kept many bellies in Tivoli Gardens full over the years. That may be so, but it cannot be the basis on which to resist an extradition request. We must, as a civilized, democratic society, be prepared to stand or fall with the systems of justice to which our Government has subscribed, bellyful or no bellyful.” A Sept. 1 editorial in the “Gleaner” newspaper (generally more sympathetic to the opposition People’s National Party), referred to: “the dilemma faced by the Golding administration ) a concern that an attempt to extradite someone whom a community views as benefactor could unleash a challenge to the state and to the JLP’s and Mr. Golding’s own influence in West Kingston. And perhaps elsewhere,” but concluded: “we expect the administration, unswayed by politics, to do the right thing – which Mr. Golding promised would be the hallmark of his leadership. To do otherwise, not only diminishes Mr. Golding, but will hurt Jamaica’s interests, political and economic, in the international community.” PARNELL

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US embassy cables: The Jamaican prime minister’s wife on ‘nefarious
influences’ on Hillary Clinton
•       guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 22 December 2010 12.36 GMT
•       Article history
Monday, 14 December 2009, 20:19
C O N F I D E N T I A L KINGSTON 000761
SENSITIVE
SIPDIS
STATE FOR WHA/CAR (J.MACK-WILSON, V.DEPIRRO, W.SMITH)
L/LEI (C.HOLLAND, A.KLUESNER)
INR/IAA (G.BOHIGIAN)
JUSTICE FOR OIA (P.PETTY)
TREASUTY FOR ERIN NEPHEW
INR/RES (R.WARNER)
AMEMBASSY BRIDGETOWN PASS TO AMEMBASSY GRENADA
EO 12958 DECL: 2019/12/14
TAGS PREL, PGOV, ECON, EFIN, SOCI, CVIS, SNAR, PINR, ASEC, CJAN
KCOR, AID, IMF, JM, XL

SUBJECT: JAMAICA: PRIME MINISTER’S WIFE SEES “NEFARIOUS INFLUENCES”
ON SECRETARY CLINTON
REF: A. KINGSTON 753; B. KINGSTON 1050; C. KINGSON 759 D. KINGSTON 1070
CLASSIFIED BY: Isiah Parnell, CDA; REASON: 1.4(B), (D)
Summary
1.      In what the cable writer calls an “often surreal and disjointed
conversation”, the wife of the Jamaican prime minister tells the US
embassy she believes Hillary Clinton is under the “pernicious
influence” of US Congressman Charles Rangel over the extradition of
Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke. Key passages are highlighted in yellow.
Summary and Analysis:
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1. (C) Lorna Golding, the wife of Prime Minister (PM) Bruce Golding,
told Post’s Public Affairs Officer (PAO) Patricia Attkisson that she
believes Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is under the “pernicious

Influence” of U.S. Representative Charles Rangel regarding the
contentious U.S. extradition request for Christopher “Dudus” Coke. In
an often surreal and disjointed conversation, Mrs. Golding alleged
that Congressman Rangel is a “sympathizer” of the opposition People’s
National Party (PNP) who is “manipulated” by PNP elements in the
Jamaican diaspora in the U.S. and is “whispering in Secretary
Clinton’s ear” in order to “downgrade” the governing Jamaica Labour
Party (JLP) and the Government of Jamaica (GOJ). Mrs. Golding also
blamed this cabal for the White House’s delay in naming a new
ambassador and the GOJ’s difficulties in finalizing a Standby
Agreement with the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Although it
appears unlikely that Mrs. Golding was delivering a message on behalf
of the PM, Mrs. Golding’s rambling comments and penchant for sharing
conspiracy theories with a key member of the U.S. Embassy community is
consistent with a growing sense among many of indecisiveness and a
lack of direction on the part of the PM and the JLP. End Summary and
Analysis.
“Pernicious Influence”
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2. (C) The invitation to the PAO to meet for afternoon tea on December
11 at the PM’s residence had been unexpected; there were no other
guests in attendance and no tea was actually served, although the PAO
was offered some salad that Mrs. Golding said the Prime Minister had

prepared the previous evening. Mrs. Golding didn’t seem to be using
any talking points, although the PM was aware of the PAO’s presence
and in fact dropped in for some small talk later in the meeting.
(NOTE: This suggests that Mrs. Golding’s opinions were not necessarily
intended as an effort on the part of the PM’s office to establish some
sort of backchannel communication or to present any informal messages
or official GOJ policy. End Note).
3.(C) The PAO’s conversation with Mrs. Golding covered a wide array of
topics, from salads and manicures to the Coke extradition request (Ref
A) and Jamaica’s pending negotiations with the International Monetary
Fund (Ref B). Mrs. Golding expressed her belief that Secretary
Clinton’s failure to mention the GOJ in the Department’s traditional
Independence Day congratulatory message to the Jamaican people in
August 2009 had been an intentional slight, instigated by the PNP
through its “nefarious influence” on Secretary Clinton. Similarly,
Mrs. Golding attributed the Coke extradition request to Congressman
Rangel’s “whispering in Secretary Clinton’s ear” and the PNP’s
“pernicious influence” within the Jamaican diaspora, and insisted that
the extradition request had been orchestrated as a means of
embarrassing her husband politically.
PM Needs “Bigging Up”
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4. (C) Despite assurances to the contrary, Mrs. Golding remained
convinced, as do many Jamaicans, that the White House’s delay in
naming a new U.S. ambassador is because Jamaica has been “downgraded”
as a result of the extradition request delay (NOTE: Mrs. Golding was
apparently unaware that, earlier in the week, the Office of the Prime

Minister had released a statement to the press indicating that the
delay in naming an ambassador was due to the White House’s
“preoccupation with other matters” and was unrelated to the
extradition request. Ref A. End Note) . Mrs. Golding alluded to the
JLP’s historical ties to the U.S.’s Republican party and the close
ties between former JLP PM Edward Seaga and President Reagan, then
requested that President Obama “reach out” to the Prime Minister as a
means of “bigging him up” (i.e., raising his stature). Nevertheless,
Mrs. Golding had nothing but praise for USAID’s activities in the
country and referred to the USAID Director as a “true friend” of
Jamaica.
5. (C) The PAO inquired as to how new revenues would be spent if, as
now appears likely (Ref C), the GOJ enters into a new IMF Standby
Agreement. Mrs. Golding downplayed the likelihood of new spending on
infrastructure or social welfare programs and insisted that all new
revenues would be allocated toward paying down Jamaica’s debt. The PM
“feels strongly that the Government of Jamaica has to pay its bills,”
Mrs. Golding stated, a belief she says he inherited from his mother.
Conclusion and Analysis
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6. (C) Mrs. Golding insisted that she had invited the PAO to have tea
on her own initiative and that the PM, although aware of the meeting,
hadn’t put her up to it. This is likely true, given that Mrs. Golding
appeared completely unprepared, could not stay on message, and had no
apparent talking points or agenda. If the PM had hoped to establish a
backchannel for discussions with Post or to convey some informal
messages to the USG regarding the Coke extradition request, the status

of IMF negotiations, or some other matter of mutual concern, it would
appear that the opportunity was lost. This is consistent with past
practice, however, as the PM and the JLP GOJ have missed a number of
opportunities in recent months to signal their willingness to make
difficult decisions or to address the myriad economic and social
crises the nation faces (Ref D). End Conclusion and Analysis. Parnell

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